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Posts: 495 For those who have finished (Paul, Nielsen, Klebba, Frost, Narinen and Mullette) how about a report on your experiences with your completed Havens. Does it perform up to expectations? Any surprises launching, sailing, maintaining, etc? How about some good sailing stories to keep us motivated! The list of "in progress" builders I have compiled is: O'Leary, Sterling, Martinson, Reid, Winslow, Lyon, Scott, Strong, Parmentier, Fisher, Hatt, Tborah, Hyde and Ferguson. Have I missed anyone? A couple of you have never submitted photos; we'd like to see your work! Let us know what you accomplished on your Haven this year, where you are right now, and what's next. Start posting when ready! [This message has been edited by Admin5 (edited 11-10-2003).] IP: Logged Posts: 4 IP: Logged Posts: 495 IP: Logged Posts: 29 While the How To book showed metal straps to use as clamps at the base of each mold, I made my own clamps from 2 pieces of scrap 3/4" plywood with a 1/2" dia. dowel connecting the two. They were cheap and fast to make, and they have worked great. My wife has sidetracked me with a new kitchen table project, but I am hoping to finish bending the frames before the year ends. I keep telling her I will get to her projects as soon as the boat is done, but she has caught on to that one! I will submit photos by year end. IP: Logged Posts: 262 I am now awaiting delivery of a new (green) piece of white oak for the keel. It may be some time before the mill can get to it. In the meantime I will fine-tune fairing of the frames and centerboard logs. I have now relinquished half of our two car garage for the winter, so we can keep one car out of the snow and slush. I should still be able to install the keel when the wood arrives. I can aslo work on the spars, yoke, seats, and deadwood in the basement. I am trying to secure a source for Eastern White Cedar for planking. I will probably have to visit the East Coast and trailer it back in the spring. I continue to be astounded when I enter the garage! Happy Thanksgiving to all. IP: Logged Posts: 132 I've been asked which do you like better, the building or the sailing? Of course it is not a better than or worse than situation. Upon reflection I would sum it up this way: Building has filled me with a sense of satisfaction with scattered moments of collosal frustration. Sailing has provided me with a sense of peace and a connection to earthly wonders with the occasional thrill of a lifetime (when that lee rail goes under). I have no basis of comparison for sailing behavior owing to the fact that I have never sailed another type of boat (except a short stint in a Nutshell pram). But this rookie feels confident, safe and challanged when sailing the Haven. Based on my experience, much of which is shared with Paul since our boats have ajoining slips at Kerr Lake and we often sail (race) with (against) each other. Beating into a 10 mph wind is fun and dry. Beating into 15 mph wind is fun and wet. As the winds exceed 17 mph a reef is called for. With more people in the boat she stands up against the wind better. And, the direction the wind blows across the lake makes a big difference on the waves and the sailing experience. If the wind blows along the axis of the lake rollers begin to form and are great wet fun. Oh yeah, if the water changes to a light tan color, that means the water is really shallow ... probably less than the draft of your boat. But that is another story ..... IP: Logged Posts: 30 Some of my biggest rewards and disappointments have occurred while planking. Learning to spile, cut, fit, backing-out, clamping (and edge-setting techniques), duplicating, and methods for fastening them down were very rewarding, and it definitely got easier the more I did. I learned that you can cut a plank out with a hand saw quite nicely when your power goes out for a week during an ice storm, and also that a router with a pattern bit is invaluable in duplicating, and can also be like Shiva, the God of destruction as well as regeneration. I learned some lessons the hard way, and after having completely shaped and fitted the plank, ready to screw it down, I cracked it during careless and hurried clamping operations...oh the pain of doing it all again! But overcoming issues and learning is part of the process, and seeing the hull come together is quite a thrill. I honestly thought fairing would never end, and it probably shouldn't have ended when it did, but I threw in the towel on that and decided it was good enough. I learned that I needed to use the hand planes alot more than I expected before going to the long-board or other sanding techniques. I borrowed a wheel-tool to roll in the cotton from Paul Bunch, and can tell you with absolute certainty that for a novice caulker, it is the only way to go. Thanks again to Paul! I learned that I don't know the trick to applying Interlux below-water seam compound. I did figure out that it is easier to apply it with your hands in a rubber glove than with a putty knife (use the knife later to clean up), but the opposite applies for the above-water stuff. If I had to do it again, I think I'd use 4100 everywhere like I did on transom and garboard seams. Though my building progress continues to wax and wane, it has remained fairly steady considering life's little distractions. When I look back on what I have completed, and yet all that still remains, I realize yet again that they weren't kidding when they said this is a BIG project. It indeed remains an enjoyable past-time nonetheless! IP: Logged Posts: 231 IP: Logged Posts: 51 Well lets see: 1). 9/03 - Found picture of the Haven in a coffee table book about Joel White while browsing a book store in Maine. My wife and I were on vacation and I was just killing time waiting for my wife to finish shopping. I have been itching for a boat for some years now but, being very particular, I hadn’t found just the right boat yet. I fell in love with the boat right off and decided to research the boat when I got home. When I got home I googled for “Haven 12 1/2s” and found the site for Eric Dow’s company. $30,000 dollars!!!! I can’t afford that. Crap! Hey, here’s a site for Haven builders. Hmmmm. And thus was born another Haven builder. 2). 10/03 – Logged onto the Haven site and got help finding books and plans. Told wife that the plans were for a fancy hot tub. Wife is enthusiastic and supportive. Mama didn’t raise no fools! Bill. IP: Logged Posts: 40 IP: Logged Posts: 3 IP: Logged Posts: 31 Happy Holidays to all- And a special thanks to our web master who keeps this site up. Steve IP: Logged Posts: 3 Best, Jim IP: Logged Posts: 495 Most of the other HavenBuilders made significant progress on their boats during the year. Generous contributions from builders and lurkers helped keep the site up and going, along with revenue from our main sponsor, Bristol Bronze. Happy New Year to all! Webmaster, Tom Strong IP: Logged Posts: 495 I am about 1/2 done strip planking my boat. It has become quite easy after the initial learning curve. My advice to anyone strip planking is to buy a lot of clamps! You will not need them at all times but they are very useful for the strips near the sheer and the keel. Once the hull begins to take shape the strips become more cooperative. I have been using a peanut butter consistency epoxy. As far as the gaps between the strips, there have been no huge ones. the biggest may be 3/32". I have just been packing them tight with epoxy. [This message has been edited by Admin5 (edited 12-03-2006).] IP: Logged All times are ET (US)
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Admin5
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posted 11-10-2003 07:35 PM
Let's all start thinking about posting year-end updates on our building progress.
Dennis Locke
Builder
Registered: Aug 2002
posted 11-12-2003 04:35 PM
You can add my name to the builders list. I have completed the molds and almost completed the platform for setting up the molds.
Admin5
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posted 11-12-2003 05:02 PM
Welcome Dennis! I also left Gil Edwards off the list of builders above.
tborah
Builder
Registered: May 2001
posted 11-14-2003 04:46 PM
My update is a quick one. All I have managed to do this year (so far) is to finish fairing the molds, assemble a steam box, and start bending frames. I am about 75% done bending frames, and it has gone pretty well. I have generated a small pile of kindling for the winter, but my success rate on the bending is pretty high. I am bending white oak that I purchased green about 18 months ago, and let air dry in my unheated garage since. I have also installed 2 floor timbers.
Tom
Builder
Registered: Jul 2002
posted 11-18-2003 03:13 PM
Last winter working in the basement I continued to build the small parts & pieces including the centerboard, rudder, and transom support. In early spring I set up the platform in the garage, set up the molds - stem - transom and faired them, installed the floors, made a pattern for the wood keel, built a steam box, and bent the frames. Pouring the keel was also accomplished.
Dan Nielsen
Builder
Registered: Dec 2001
posted 11-18-2003 06:06 PM
The big event for me this last year was launching Nimbus. With the help of Paul Bunch she splashed on April 4, 2003, which was also the day I turned 40. Rookie boat builder turns rookie sailer.
fergie
Moderator
Registered: Feb 2002
posted 11-19-2003 11:04 AM
I have been working on my project for about two years now, and this last year was dedicated to planking...I just finished up the last of the seam compound last night. Planking has been quite a learning experience, and I'll share some thoughts on the process...
Paul
Builder
Registered: Nov 2000
posted 11-19-2003 07:38 PM
I have to admit that having another Haven to sail with has been most enjoyable. I can't wait for James to finish his Haven so we can have three out on Kerr Lake.
To me, the boat is everything you have read or heard about. The handling aspects are quick, kind of like rack and pinion steering. Sometimes after getting back to the docks after a good sail in stiff winds, someone will always come by and comment how well they thought the boat sailed in those conditions. Most are astonished to find out she has 600 pounds of lead bolted to her bottom.
I never tire of sailing her. Her cockpit is big and comfortable. I have sailed with two other adults with the outboard lying on the cockpit floor and we still had plenty of room.
She is a rewarding boat to build and an even more rewarding boat under sail.
William Fisher
Builder
Registered: Sep 2003
posted 11-21-2003 02:20 PM
2003 Year End Updates
3). 10/03 – Started making molds. It’s fun stacking them in order because I can see the hull profile slowly taking place. Wife is getting suspicious, says that it doesn’t look like any hot tub she’s ever seen.
4). 10/03 – Even though the molds aren’t finished yet I decided to start laying out the transom (yes, I did say that I enjoy see the hull take shape but It’s still very repetitive and I need a break). Decided I liked the look of mahogany with a clear coat. Called around a bit and found a marine lumber supplier that is more than happy to supply me with all the mahogany I want at $5.80 a board foot! Holy cow! At that price I can only afford to make one. Better get it right the first time. Wife is mollified because hot tubs use mahogany, right?
5). 11/03 – I have named the boat “Nancy B” after my loving wife. OK, actually I named it that because the wife finally got a good look at the plans (you know, maybe I shouldn’t have hung them on the shop wall after all) and realized I was building a boat, not a hot tub. Surprisingly, she fell for this transparent attempt at placation and domestic harmony has been reestablished.
Rolf
Builder
Registered: Feb 2001
posted 11-23-2003 02:31 PM
I'm now at a point where she starts to look like a boat. The turn-over is done, and she hasn't slipped out of the ropes. The aft deck is done. Right now, I'm putting down the foredeck. The wood for the seats and the coamings is ordered. The wrestling with the pattern for the coamings is done. If all goes well, the deck and the coamings should be on until New Years Eve. Now I start believing that she could ride on the water next summer!
Paul Scott
Builder
Registered: Feb 2007
posted 12-08-2003 02:32 PM
I feel as if I have accomplished little since the spring. I painted the hull below the waterline, turned the boat over and poured the lead keel. A couple of coats of epoxy to the interior and 3-4 coats of paint over the epoxy is about all I've done this fall. I know one New Year's resolution - to get cracking!
I really appreciate the website. Merrry Christmas to all.
SteveW
Builder
Registered: Oct 2002
posted 12-17-2003 04:39 PM
Another year has passed and progress is evident. A year ago I was just steaming the keel. Now I am doing the final sanding on hull.
Jim Parmentier
Builder
Registered: Dec 2003
posted 12-18-2003 10:55 PM
My steady progress over the summer was disrupted when I found a beautiful fiberglass canoe at our local dump whose life was to end only because its wooden gunnels had rotted out after about ten years upside down in a backyard in New England. It took a bit of effort to remove them, replace them and repair all the little parts but it was worth it when done. Now, after a few months, I'm back at the Haven. As you can see from a post earlier this evening, I'm about done with the framing . . with the exception of frame #22. In my case, I would bend the frame on and then put on the floor timber on each mold. In hindsight, I should have done all the framing first . . . when the steam box was working it went well. Some days, it just made kindling. In the summer I had pre-soaked each frame by filling a old dinghy with water and leaving the next day's frames in over night. When winter came, that didn't work, so I made a soaker by capping an 8" section of PVC from an old piece of sewer line (new construction material...not used!) that is standing on end. I epoxied in Tygon tubing near the bottom so I could measure the water level inside, and also drain it if necessary. I cut the tube off at 60", since the longest frame is 54", and it now stands quietly in the corner of my shop, ready whenever I need it. Presoaking seems to help. However, frame 22, which has the tightest arc, has bested me several times now. I'd appreciate any commentds anyone has on how to do this.
Admin5
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posted 12-31-2003 12:53 PM
2003, it was a very good year! We saw the launching of Dan Nielsen's NIMBUS; Havens started by Gil Edwards, Jim Parmentier, and William Fisher; and a proposal for a "Sail-day-Voo" or "HavenFest" in 2004.
Admin5
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posted 01-01-2004 11:11 AM
POSTED FOR STEVE MARTINSON
I have played around with fairing areas. The curve of the hull comes out pretty easy. There will be some epoxy fairing putty needed. Pretty minor though.
I took the time to strip the lead out of the mold. It rests in my front yard now.
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