MTRA COMMENTS PAGE

February 1, 2002 through March 31, 2002

The current legislation states that you only need a current year Coggins test if you plan to show, sell, or bring a horse across state lines. If you had your horse tested last year and all you do is trail ride, you do not need to have your horse tested this year. Your horse does not need to be tested to leave your property - many of us worked very hard last year to have that requirement removed from the law. But they want every horse tested once between January 1, 2001 and April 30, 2002. The maximum fine for non-compliance is $100. The MDA may be doing spot checks at auctions and shows but they do not have the manpower to go door-to-door or chase down trail riders. Fyi, out of the 90,000+ horses tested in 2001 they only found 16 positives. Most of these horses were singles in established herds - one was in a herd of 96 - and they had not infected any of their pasture mates. Inapparent carriers do not have high levels of the virus in the blood and are not that infectious. So I am not worried at all about EIA - but I am concerned about West Nile virus.
Vicki Sible MTRA # 2311
USA - Sunday, March 31, 2002 at 20:54:44 (EST)

FOR SALE: camper stove, oven, lights, furnace, sink, all for $100. Great for making a living quarters in your trailer. (989) 539-2766 or (989) 539-8177
Joann Johns <jojoxema@yahoo.com>
Harrison, MI USA - Sunday, March 31, 2002 at 20:39:41 (EST)

Thank for the answer, Al..I have the law in front of me.One thing I have found is its all in how one interpets it.It is confusing to say the least.... At our Great Lakes Distance Riding annual banquet our vet rep stated that the law stated public events and our trail rides(distance) were excempt from that and left it up to ride managers. But it was suggested to be on the safe side one should get a current Coggins and I was just wondering what the requirements were for MTRA. Appy Riding!!!
Jan Mills Kennedy <jmkennedy@netonecom.net>
Merritt, MI USA - Sunday, March 31, 2002 at 19:26:38 (EST)

FOR SALE: 1998 Appaloosa mare, color Bay roan, 15 1/2 hands, has had 60 day professional training, has been shown for the last two years but not hard in Hillsdale and Jackson county, qualified for the Hillsdale Co. Sheriffs mounted division for 200l, baths, clips, and loads very well, can breed this year if desired, has curent Coggins test. Dam and Sire are both Handicap rider certified in the state of Michigan. She also, followed the Mich Bicentennial Wagon Train Club on a 20 mile day ride in Aug 2000. Asking $3500.00 Must sell have to many horses. Any questions please contact Sara Johnson 8am to 4pm 517-439-0404 (work) or 517-849-9182 (home) please leave message.
Sara Johnson <annndon@tir.com>
jonesville, MI USA - Sunday, March 31, 2002 at 16:52:21 (EST)

I own an Ortho-Flex Patriot saddle, I don't ride for long periods of time and was wondering if anyone has had any problems with this saddle? Either horse or rider. Thanks
candy <forpets@lushen.com>
skandia, MI USA - Sunday, March 31, 2002 at 16:41:49 (EST)

Jan, I believe #2 would apply. "Equine entered into fairs, exhibitions, or similar events must test negative for EIA prior to the event within the current calendar year." The way I interpret the wording is that if you own a "pasture ornament" you have to get it tested one time. If you take your horse off yur property, it must be tested each calendar year. If I am mis-understanding this, I hope someone will clarify further.
Al
USA - Sunday, March 31, 2002 at 12:42:23 (EST)

Thanks for the Coggins law update. Am I wrong in assuming that we do not need a CURRENT test to attend MTRA rides if we have the one time test taken last year and if we live in state???All my horses have their test from last year..do I need a current one to attend the Blossom ride? Please respond..Appy Trails!!!!
Jan Mills Kennedy <jmkennedy@netonecom.net>
Merritt, MI USA - Sunday, March 31, 2002 at 10:27:13 (EST)

If you have read the article below, I think it is time to discuss it. The way I read it, all horses in the state must be tested one time. This is to determine which horses are infected. After this one-time test, you would only have to have a yearly test if the horse left your property. This would include our trail rides. Speaking only for myself, I would not want Primo exposed to EIA from a horse whose owner failed to comply with the requirements. I would hope that anyone attending the rides would take the time and minimal expense to ensure that their horse is EIA free.
Al
USA - Sunday, March 31, 2002 at 08:55:03 (EST)

Equine Testing Requirements Revised Effective June 29, 2001 Michigan horse owners will now have until April 30, 2002 to get a one-time mandatory Equine Infectious Anemia (EIA) test of their animals. Due to the one-time mandatory test, annual testing is no longer required and the provision requiring a negative EIA test prior to travel on or by a public roadway has been removed. Changes in the requirement will help Michigan horse owners more easily comply with the law and help ensure that Michigan's equine population is protected against this disease. Equine Infectious Anemia affects equine only and cannot be transmitted to people or other animals. Other provisions in the law, except for foals under six months of age and nursing, include: 1. Equine entering Michigan from another state must test negative for EIA prior to entry within the current calendar year. (Current calendar year is defined as December 1 through the end of the next December 31.) 2. Equine entered into fairs, exhibitions or similar events must test negative for EIA prior to the event within the current calendar year. 3. Equine entered in sales or auctions or changing ownership must test negative for EIA prior to the event within the current calendar year. 4. Equine tested to comply with any of the above requirements will also satisfy the one-time mandatory EIA test requirement. 5. Equine not tested under any of the above movement or exhibition requirements will simply need a one-time EIA test before April 30, 2002. Equine tested from January 1 through June 29, 2001 will meet the law's one-time mandatory testing requirement.
Al
USA - Sunday, March 31, 2002 at 08:44:04 (EST)

EIA testing. For anyone still unclear about the changes in the law, you can go to mich.gov\mda then click on farming, then click on crops & livestock, then click on equine infectious anemia. This will give you the new law, along with a list of horses found to be positive, and their disposition.
Al
USA - Sunday, March 31, 2002 at 07:45:08 (EST)

hi, allegan county pleasure riders ride-a thon is being held april 20th @ silver creek horsemans campground,hamilton.mi. registration 8:30-11am. ride starts at 10 am. happy trails jill gale.
jill gale <jillian-gale@webtv.net>
allegan, mi USA - Friday, March 29, 2002 at 16:09:06 (EST)

1982 23' Class C Motor Home. Everything works great. Must sell. $4,500 firm see pictures at www.geocities.com/appycamper
Jim <appycamper@yahoo.com>
USA - Thursday, March 28, 2002 at 12:20:01 (EST)

Sorry about that Curious. I didn't read your comment close enough. That was the pleasure judged ride I was relating to. Good luck finding your date on ride .Bruce
B Campbell <Campbellsranch@Voyager.Net>
Hastings, Mi USA - Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 21:10:49 (EST)

Hello, I will be helping with the workbee on 5/3 5/4. Anyone with any suggestions on what to bring???
Charlotte Bezeau <missybez@frontiernet.net>
Osseo, MI USA - Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 18:34:12 (EST)

Dear M.T.R.A. members, Sometime Sunday morning after the banquet in Clare, the M.T.R.A. banner disappeared from the wall in the banquet hall at the Doherty Hotel. The Hotel staff did not remove it. I would appreciate any information on its location. If a well meaning trail rider took it, please return it to the secretary at 3010 North M - 52 Stockbridge Michigan 49285. Thank you! Judy Chanter
Judy Chanter
USA - Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 13:35:49 (EST)

I'm sure the Allegan Ride is sometime in April. Just don't know when. The one you're thinking of is a juged ride put on by WHAM. If there's anyone who knows about the ride-a-thon, please let us know.
Curious
USA - Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 12:16:06 (EST)

Help .... I'm a high school teacher looking for a stable willing to rent mounts for 12 students and 3 teachers. We'd really like a fun trail ride 3-4 hours in lenght. We will be in Mid Mich near Lake City / Houghton but can travel an hour or so. I don't know where else to turn. THX
Christopher C. Craft <ccraft@ionia.k12.mi.us>
Ionia, Mi USA - Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 08:37:17 (EST)

The Allegan ride is May 18 I believe.
Bruce Campbell <Campbellsranch@voyager.net>
Hastings, Mi USA - Monday, March 25, 2002 at 17:32:37 (EST)

Does anyone know the date for the Allegan Co. Pleasure Riders Ride-A-Thon?
Curious
USA - Monday, March 25, 2002 at 15:56:39 (EST)

Hey! Can anyone tell me what happened to John Timmons? I know that his dad was sick but was hoping that everything went ok. I will miss his van "treats" and am wondering who's going to hook up my trailer for me now? Would just like to know that he's well and for him to know that he will be missed. From: "KNEES" and the other single "loser" girls on 2001 June 1st ride.
LANNETTE <LA8OWAT@WSDMI.ORG>
METAMORA, MI USA - Monday, March 25, 2002 at 10:12:09 (EST)

Howdy all- I have been a MTRA member for two years now, and planning on riding the shore to shore the second half of June. I've horse camped for years, but this is my first shore to shore. What I would like, especially from you more experienced riders, is the best trail tip you can offer. I will compile these, if I have enough and offer them to the rest of the club. "Tricks of the trail" or maybe the coolest gadget that has made your life easier. No- not the 55' Winnabago with the hot shower. :) I'll get to meet a few of you before we go. Look forward to meetin' you all.
Sandy <cowgirl082@aol.com>
Whitmore Lake, MI USA - Sunday, March 24, 2002 at 21:09:33 (EST)

Regarding increased costs for county/state/federal parks. One of the possible reasons was brought up at last year's MHC trails seminar held at 4Mile Camp. Since the 9/11 incident, there is now a requirement to secure all public water sources. That means, the hand pumps and easy accessibility at the camps, will have to change - at that is going to mean some costly changes. I don't remember the deadlines for this action. Another problem is that recent federal legislation (12 - 18 months ago) has caused significant cutbacks on the accessibility and use of roads within federally controlled (not sure that's the right term) properties. It's a cost-cutting function - by reducing the amount of accessible land and the roads to get to and service / maintain that land, it will save the government money. I am sure that this, and similar actions, are affecting all public land use. Which is why there is such a need for a focused task force to work FOR equine land use. As I've said before, mountain bikers work together as a group and are very active in all levels of government to get what they want. The equine industry needs to do the same to get is's share of federal/state/county/ and local tax recreation money.
gabz
Sterling Heights, MI USA - Sunday, March 24, 2002 at 16:56:02 (EST)

for sale to good home only! 5 year old grade grey mare. Out of JR Blackmailer/Tailwind Bonaza lines. Very nice little mare. Black socks dark grey. Would make an excellent western pleaseur or trail horse possibly english for a young rider due to her size. Needs to have training, matured slow and is now ready for training. Very easy to work around and loves people. I've owned since she was 9 months old. Good for farrrier, vet etc. $900.00 She maybe about 14.2 Thanks
candy <forpets@lushen.com>
skandia, mi USA - Sunday, March 24, 2002 at 09:39:10 (EST)

4 year old Registered Arabian Gelding. Green Broke. Will make a wonderful horse with attention. Rose red. I have photo I can email to any one interested. $1200.00 Good home only.
Troy <tderskin@cmsinter.net>
USA - Sunday, March 24, 2002 at 01:16:51 (EST)

On the price increase for the use of trails for MTRA...As we live only about 6 miles from the Indiana state line and use alot of their trails also, we got a shock a couple of weeks ago about they're closing of the horsemens camps in a number of their State Parks, due to cost of maintenance, etc. They were closing one campground over a $8,800. maintenance cost overrun. Indiana Trail Riders, assoc. went to work and got private donations to keep it open this year, but who knows in the long run. It seems that lobbyists for the Sierra Club and so forth are getting their way on trying to kick the horsemen out of State and National Parks and forests. Seems to be the case in Ohio and and Illinois as well as Michigan and Indiana. Indeed it is time to write and lobby our state governments on behalf of the horsemen if we want to keep our trails. The Indiana DNR was also citing the reasons for closing the parks weren't being used to the fullest by the horse campers, and weren't bringing in enough money to cover costs. If it takes a couple of bucks a day extra a day to keep the Michigan trails open, I say go for it, especially if the other option is to close them.
karen freehling <freehlingfarms@aol.com>
baroda, mi USA - Saturday, March 23, 2002 at 23:25:51 (EST)

for sale, AQHA 15 yr old sorrel gelding,15.2 hands. has been rode on michigan trail rides , good quiet sound, clips ties, loadsgood, $1900.00 1-260-281-2585
george bell <georgefran@kuntrynet.com>
waterloo, USA - Saturday, March 23, 2002 at 18:16:30 (EST)

There will be a meeting for those of you who are concerned about the activities of the MHC and its affiliates in regards to a possible feed assessment. Please plan to attend on April 20th at the Fremont District Library from 1-3pm.
Marta <no_mi_horse_tax@hotmail.com>
Fremont, MI USA - Saturday, March 23, 2002 at 14:57:26 (EST)

Hellooooo out there, is there anybody in the saddle??? Is there anything under the cowboy hat???? Doesn't anyone read the MTRA newsletter? It was announced that the Michigan DNR has increased our daily camping fees from 50 cents/day to $3.00/day. People, this is a 600% increase. If I do the math correctly with the info from the newsletter, the MTRA used to realize $2.50/day and the DNR 50 cents/day. Now it will be $3.00/day for the DNR and $2.00/day for the MTRA. The way I see it, the MTRA just lost money and the DNR is making oodles more. It is costing us more to ride and we are doing it at a loss. What additional services are the DNR providing for us due to the fee increase???? We clean the trails and the camps, using our labor, materials, and equipment. I realize the DNR provides toilet paper and empties the dumpsters, but get real, a 600% increase???? I urge all trail riders to contact their State Representatives and protest this increase as strongly as they can. Their e-mail can be found under Michigan State Government. This is just another encroachment on our rights as citizens and horse owners. Al & Primo
Al
USA - Saturday, March 23, 2002 at 06:03:51 (EST)

REGARDING ITEMS FOR SALE BELOW: Due to a death in our immediate family, the sale of the horse/trailer/tack/etc has been put on hold. Will repost at a later time if needed. Thank you.
Polly
USA - Friday, March 22, 2002 at 13:58:28 (EST)

For Sale: (1) AQHA/ABRA registred dun gelding. Foaled 1998. Info on www.equine.com or www.dreamhorse.com as "Smoken The Chip". 15.2, sound, regular farrier/vaccs/worming and will receive coggins and vaccs on 4/2/02. Also, (1) 1981 Tracer 2-horse BP trailer w/ramp. XL dressing room. Very solid trailer that was recently sanded and painted and totally overhauled (brakes, lights, etc). Great floor in horse and DR area. Details on trailer also at www.equine.com. Horse made first time visit to Elk Hill/Pigeon River last Fall and was first time ever picketed. Outstanding on the trails, in the trailer (loads perfectly), fun to show (western pleasure), GREAT with kids (as young as 6 have ridden him alone). QUIET and very well mannered. $5000/horse, $3000/best reasonable offer on the trailer. Might also be willing to do a package deal of horse, trailer, show tack, etc. Change in life priorities is only reason for sale. Will be extremely selective on buyer of horse. Prefer to sell to a family where horse will be mount for a child.
Polly <goodx2@journey.com>
MI USA - Thursday, March 21, 2002 at 09:31:45 (EST)

Anyone seeing Jody at the annual meeting tell him Bruce(alias Hooker) says hi and hope to see him soon. Thaks Bruce
Bruce Campbell <campbellsranch@voyager.net>
Hastings, Mi USA - Wednesday, March 20, 2002 at 19:46:20 (EST)

1982 Leisure Craft Class C 23' Motor Home. Sleeps 5 comfortably. Everything works great. 51,000 miles. New awning. New exhaust. Good tires. Bathroom w/shower. Stove, oven, refrigerator, roof air conditioning, furnace. Lots of storage. Stored inside. Runs and looks great. $4,500 Please e-mail for pictures.
Jim <appycamper@yahoo.com>
Grand Haven, MI USA - Wednesday, March 20, 2002 at 11:32:40 (EST)

FOR SALE: 1987 Rustler 2 horse GN trailer - 25'X 7', straight load. Has living quarters with stove, frig, sink and microwave. Also has awning. Tack compartment under feeders with slide out saddle racks. Good condition, $4000. Also for sale - two western saddles. One, Tex Tan with 15" seat $300. Good condition. Other older but still fair condition $175. Call or e-mail me. 616-696-4313. Michele
Michele Tepin <tippint@triton.net>
Cedar Springs, MI USA - Tuesday, March 19, 2002 at 23:11:35 (EST)

For Sale: 9.5' Pickup camper, Shadow Cruiser, Self contained with bathroom and shower, gas 4-burner stove w/oven. About 10 years old, one owner, always inside except for this year. Good condition, $3,500 OBO. 231-592-5483
Bruce & Marlene <horses7300>
Big Rapids, MI USA - Tuesday, March 19, 2002 at 20:57:51 (EST)

Since my comment dated 14 MAR 02 I may be riding with Danielle but my wife may not be able to as she had an injury. She broke her left arm(the humerous bone). Hopefully she will be healed enough to ride. Hope to see lots of Michigan Trailriders June 13-16th.
dwight parliament <cch1dap@cch10.med.navy.mil>
weatherford, tx USA - Tuesday, March 19, 2002 at 14:10:22 (EST)

4 yr old 3/4 foxtrotter gelding to sell. Was trained by professional last summer. Curious and bold generally. Right person could probably get him to gait. Loving home a must. 231-825-8002 evenings
Elaine Winkel <sgtwink@prodigy.net>
McBain, MI USA - Tuesday, March 19, 2002 at 12:06:51 (EST)

At the suggestion of Vicki Sible, MTRA #2311, I have added a Google search capability to the site. You can search the web, mtra.org, and/or kerchevalave.com (the address where most of the site resides.) You might get some strange returns, because there are some other sites hosted on kerchevalave.com, but let's try it for a while and see if we like it. There may also be some advertising on the results pages; that's the price we pay for the otherwise free capability. Let me know whether or not you want to keep this feature on the site. Tom
Webmaster <webmaster@mtra.org>
USA - Monday, March 18, 2002 at 23:20:35 (EST)

Alright ladies, I am a first timer for the annual meeting-what is the usual attire. Still casual? Thanks for the advise.
Vic <aspen@in-gen.net>
Columbus, MI USA - Monday, March 18, 2002 at 08:55:23 (EST)

Am hosting a hoof care clinic with Martha Olivo on March 23 & 24 in Three Oaks Michigan. Martha is a Certified Hoof Care Specialist and has studied both in the US and Germany. She was a farrier for 25 years before committing herself to the natural trim and has helped many many people bring their horses back to soundness without shoes. This clinic would be of special interest to those with navicular or foundered horses. There will be 3 sessions offered over the weekend - Session 1 includes a lecture on the physiology of the hoof and hoof mechanism. She will explain how the whole horse trim facilitates the ability of a horse to regain and maaintain soundness. Session 2 - Martha will demonstrate the whole horse trim and dissect a cadaver foot. This session is designed to facilitate a deeper understanding of the hoof physiology and to demonstrate hoof mechanism. Session 3 is designed to further the practical knowledge and participants will learn and refine their skill of the trim on either live horses or cadaver feet. There are still some spaces left in this fascinating clinic. If anyone is interested, please email me vidas@triton.net or you can call me at 616.756-1408. There are barefoot horses competing successfully on 100 mile rides being trimmed in this manner. This is a great clinic for barefoot enthusiasts or people that are looking to improve their horses gaits and bring them back to soundness.
Vida <vidas@triton.net>
Three Oaks, MI USA - Sunday, March 17, 2002 at 18:19:37 (EST)

Does anyone know of any good trainers in Kent or Allegan counties. Please email me at Lrink1208@aol.com
lorraine <lrink128@aol.com>
grand rapids, mi USA - Sunday, March 17, 2002 at 17:44:32 (EST)

WANTED: One horse trailer. (no really!) A friend of mine wants a one horse trailer. It must be a bumper pull with a tandem axle but other than that, nothing special. It doesn't have to be pretty, just safe, functional and affordable. Call (810) 797-5773 or email at hayesvet@aol.com
Rhonda <hayesvet@aol.com>
Goodrich, MI USA - Saturday, March 16, 2002 at 22:19:21 (EST)

The six-year-old Appaloosa gelding has been sold.
Karen <appycamper@yahoo.com>
USA - Saturday, March 16, 2002 at 06:46:34 (EST)

I am looking for a two horse, straight load, extra tall, extra wide bumper pull trailer reasonably priced in good condition. Please e-mail at the address above. Thanks.
Mary <NothinButImage@aol.com>
Dowagiac, MI USA - Friday, March 15, 2002 at 10:13:34 (EST)

I am looking for a two horse straight load, extra tall, extra wide bumper pull trailer that is in good condition and reasonably priced. Please e-mail me if you have such a trailer for sale. Thanks. Mary.
Mary <NothinButImage>
Dowagiac, MI USA - Friday, March 15, 2002 at 10:10:33 (EST)

Wanted: I am looking for a good/great gaited trail horse. Must be slow and easy not hot and goofy. Must be good with others in the herd passive not dominent. It can be a mare or gelding. Prefer MFT but will also consider spotted saddle, and TWH or racking. I am a beginner gaited horse person so I nedd a horse that will be forgiving and can teach me. The prices should be under $3000.00. I am looking for a horse that I can take to clinics and have fun with as well as trail rides. One that comes off the trailer (must be a good traveler) and does't spend energy whinnning and acting studpid, (Iam too old for that stuff). Also, asking for a guarantee for 30 days, for soundness, and sanity (based on my definition of sanity). It's a tough bill to fill but if your honest and have an honest horse it shouldn't be too bad. Thanks, Candy
candy <forpets@lushen.com>
skandia, mi USA - Friday, March 15, 2002 at 09:05:25 (EST)

Hi, i was wondering if anyone rides in a Ortho-Flex Express Lite, or a Timberline brand saddle. If so how do you like it? I am thinking of buy one, or the other. Thanks.
BarbW <foxtrotter51@tc3net.com>
USA - Friday, March 15, 2002 at 06:16:48 (EST)

hi we are getting close to opening a park for the outdoors people... i would like to get some repsonse as to what you folks look for in a trail to ride on...we will have camping off roading for the 4 wheel crusiers as well as horses....if you would like more info as we open you can email me with subject horse riding info... thanks for your time scott
scott <thewall71@hotmail.com>
in, mi USA - Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 20:48:21 (EST)

All you Trailriders just wanted to let you all know that Julie and I will be riding the first part of the trail June 13 14 15 16 with you. Hope to see all of you. Just remember who has more fun than Michigan Trail Riders------ MORE Michigan Trail Riders. Time to Party
Dwight A. Parliament <cch1dap@cch10.med.navy.mil>
USA - Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 15:17:26 (EST)

Vicki, Sorry, I had right and left mixed up too! I only asked because I wanted to make sure I was putting the right comments with the right people.
Greg
USA - Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 08:29:47 (EST)

To Greg again - I was sitting on the RIGHT side of the room as you came in, not the left. What difference does it make where I was sitting?
Vicki Sible
USA - Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 17:00:06 (EST)

To Greg again - I was sitting on the RIGHT side of the room at the seminar, not the left! It's been a long day...
Vicki Sible
USA - Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 16:57:12 (EST)

To Greg - go back and re-read my post. I never said they wanted to hire more than one person. And I was sitting on the left side of the room during the seminar, for whatever that is worth.
Vicki Sible
USA - Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 16:54:54 (EST)

Jilian - I'm not going to do the math... The money that is spent on administrative costs - is going towards lobbying, PR, etc., etc. and is considered money spent for a services. It's spent for information and research gathering. It's spent on paying someone to "schmooze" with all the right people in order to get the ear and favorable attention of whatever officials it takes to make equine industry better in MIchigan - from the one-horse boarder to the completely $$ broke breeder - and everyone in between. As an accountant - you are paid for your services rather than a "product" per se. Don't you have to spend money on paper supplies? On pens, computers, and research material/ educational material to keep yourself current with the latest accounting laws and techniques?
gabz
Sterling Hts, MI USA - Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 16:08:38 (EST)

To Jan and Vicki, the speculation is that you say they want to hire all those people. At the seminar they talked about hiring one person, setting up an office, doing an economic impact study, increasing the number of horse owners and granting money for trail and facility improvements, extension and education and equine health research. I got the impression they liked the North Carolina method of raising the money but had different ideas about what to do with it. Were you those people on the left side of the room at the seminar?
Greg
USA - Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 15:11:05 (EST)

Thanks, Jilian! I was just out there trying to do the math myself and my calculator died. In response to Greg - I am not sure what speculation you are referring to. You asked me a question and I gave you the best answer I could. My conclusions are based on the information presented by EIPGM at a seminar the Expo last weekend and the information presented on their web page. Maybe you should read the EIPGM web page information more carefully.
Vicki Sible MTRA # 2311
USA - Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 07:54:04 (EST)

I read that NC page. Total up the administrative, office, and salaries line item expenses along with capital reserves that were not spent and it totals to almost SEVENTY (70) per cent of the total revenue that was NOT spent on the intended recipients. I'm an accountant and the figures posted on that page are very vague and NOT in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles. Not that they are required to follow the standard on a web page but why not? Its tax money and the public has a right to know. This isn't Enron!
Jilian Brown
Caseville, MI USA - Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 07:34:49 (EST)

Jan and Vicki, I visited the North Carolina Horse Council web page. There is a detailed listing of how their referendum dollars have been spent. I think you should check the facts a little before you start speculating what these people can/can't do. If anyone is interested, here is the link http://www.nchorsecouncil.com/feed.htm Of course, in the seminar they did say that a new organization was going to come out of this, so unlike NC the money will be not be going to the MHC.
Greg <zest71699@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 21:05:07 (EST)

In response to Greg's post below...I don't think that EIPGM believes that $50,000 per year is an unreasonable salary for what they are expecting this person to do. If you look on the EIPGM web page under "Potential Benefits" (which actually reads more like a list of goals and objectives) they expect the Director to be a liason, a lobbyist, a P.R. person, a web master, a movie director, and an accountant. If they are able to find one person with all these qualifications, experience, and political connections they won't come cheap. The EIPGM uses North Carolina as an example of a model program. In N.C. the funds are collected by the Dept. of Agriculture. Their Horse Council then allocates the funds to segments of the horse industry. They have a trail coodinator, a lobbyist, and a lawyer on their staff. Maybe N.C. feels they need a bureaucracy to manage promotion of their horse industry, but does Michigan?
Vicki Sible MTRA # 2311
USA - Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 19:47:25 (EST)

I attended the EIPGM meeting at the Expo on Saturday. I was interested in the video that the Florida Promotional Group has produced. My mom lives in Florida and says they run that ad on her television stations. The EIPGM is talking about making a video promoting the Michigan Horse Industry. They are also discussing putting up billboards along highways to promote the Michigan Horse Industry. If you notice, the key word in their name and in all their statements is "promotion". This group has no intention of giving money to trail groups for construction or maintenence of trails. They have no intention of giving any money to show or event facilities for construction or maintenence. Their purpose is to promote. They want to tell other people in other states to bring their horses to Michigan and take advantage of our facilities. Mary Rossano also said in the meeting on Saturday that their purpose was to encourage more horse ownership in Michigan. Personally, I feel they are very careful about how they say things, trying to keep us off guard and unaware of their true mission. Perhaps someone should ask them what their mission statement is or at least what they think it would be if they had one.
Jan <magictrailfarm@earthlink.net>
Owosso, MI USA - Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 19:27:28 (EST)

The 1995 Trailet has been sold - thanks!
Kirsten <kirsten312@chartermi.net>
Saginaw, Mi USA - Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 15:52:21 (EST)

To Vicki, In the seminar the said that the $50k was the estimate for one full time person and an office. The salary of the one person would be what they could pay after the cost of setting up the office and paying rent, wouldn't it?
Greg
USA - Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 12:08:12 (EST)

This tax is alot of hogwash. I'm not on the west side of the state but I'll do whatever it takes from up here at the tip pf the thumb. Keep me informed and such. Thanks for all your work on our behalf. I, for one, greatly appreciate it. Jilian Brown, Ken Brown, Avery Brown and Tracey Brown
Jilian Brown
Caseville, MI USA - Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 09:41:33 (EST)

I would like to organize a meeting for all of those who are opposed to the MHC tax. If you would be interested in attending such a meeting please e-mail me at: no_mi_horse_tax@hotmail.com Sincerely Marta Yeakey North River Ranch Fremont, Michigan (231) 924-6071
Marta Yeakey <no_mi_horse_tax@hotmail.com>
Fremont, Mi USA - Monday, March 11, 2002 at 22:29:19 (EST)

I was part of a group that attended the EIPGM's seminar at the Expo this Saturday. We tried to get them to answer detailed questions about what the money would be used for. They still don't have a clue what they are going to do with the money if they get it. The only thing they could tell us for sure was that they would be paying an estimated $50,000 salary to someone to manage the fund. One of the other states they used as examples has three paid staff, one full- time and two part-time. If they go that route, by the time they pay the staff and pay for office space and other administrative fees, there won't be any money left. When we pressed harder for information on what percentage of the money would go for trails, event facilities, etc., they would only say that the money would go to the largest group of horse owners with the greatest need. I would personally rather donate my money directly to the trails and activities that I participate in. The MHC has not convinced me that this tax proposal is going to benefit me as a horse owner in any way, shape, or form.
Vicki Sible MTRA #2311
USA - Monday, March 11, 2002 at 20:20:34 (EST)

My oppinon on the tax -refund at the end of the year from the EIPGM is ; what if theres no money left to give back refunds;& look how costly it would be to print & send them all out; Do all the math!!
sandy seppi fo <foxtrotin@hotmail.com>
Gladstone, mi USA - Monday, March 11, 2002 at 15:15:16 (EST)

I agree with Gabz. The cost is low and the benefits are aimed at the level of the back yard horse owners who want to be sure they will always have places to ride and keep horses. As I understood it part of the money will be dedicated to trails. We all know the state is broke and won't pay for our trails. The user groups that have money will get more from the state than the ones that don't. MTRA and its members would gain a lot from this funding.
Greg <zest71699@aol.com>
USA - Monday, March 11, 2002 at 14:08:41 (EST)

After attending a seminar at the Stallion Expo this past weekend, I must applaud the MHC on their carefully worded approach to this subject. Please read what they're saying VERY carefully before getting too excited on how they may help the average (non-professional) horse owner. ASS-U-ME, don't forget it.
Deb P. <barnkty@yahoo.com>
USA - Monday, March 11, 2002 at 12:29:29 (EST)

Kathy - (tried to email, but it was rejected) Thanks for your comments about EIPGM - you should email them directly to EIPGM and ask the very same questions. But to let you know, if you keep your feed receipts, then you can submit for a refund, much like an income tax refund - whether you are using the feed for horses OR any other livestock, the assessment is refundable.
gabz <gabrielle_hume@delmia.com>
Sterling Heights, MI USA - Monday, March 11, 2002 at 09:13:41 (EST)

Please be sure to visit the EIPGM website to be sure you have some info on what this group is about. http://www.geocities.com/eipgm/ I did the math. Based on 5 pounds of pelleted feed/grain a day per horse, 2000 pounds lasts 400 days. So, we're talking about $2 per horse per year to fund a COMPLETELY new agency to help horse owners and businesses. Some of the folks at the seminar felt that maintaining zoning or land use for horses were not an issue - but many of us in urban areas didn't think it was such an issue either, until hundreds of acres of farm land keep getting gobbled up and turned into housing developments. MHC cannot do what we need. That organization are restricted by the IRS requirements/stipulations. If so many are unhappy about what MHC can and cannot do, then you SHOULD support for the EIPGM. Having a paid administrator - a professional who isn't doing it on a voluntary, part-time basis, is what Michigan horse owners need. Until the EIPGM is instituted, it will continue as an ad-hoc group of MHC; If and when it is voted into existence, it will be an independent "agency" so to speak. If "we" (horse owners) don't want representation, then don't vote for it. If you DO want representation - like the Mountain Bikers have and similar organizations - then support the creation of the EIPGM. Nothing against mountain bikers, but the southern part of the state is well aware of how many miles of trail that have been developed and/or taken over by this group - simply because they are organized and politically active. AND - EIPGM is NOT just about trails and green space. There are NO adequate show grounds in Michigan that can serve a large venue. How many of us must travel out of state in order to compete at higher levels? Michigan really does have high equine breeding and training businesses - how much better could they be if they were promoted and advertised on a national level? How much better business would they have if they had more & larger shows to exhibit at? The Michigan Intercollegiate Horse Association (High school Equestrian) is limited to using the State Fairgrounds - which are woefully inadequate and sub-standard, because there isn't any other show grounds that can provide enough stabling, practice ring, or arena space. This is simply HIGH SCHOOL teams - we're short-changing the future of Michigan horse people. The State Fairgrounds has any large group over a barrel in regards to what they can charge. Providing show grounds with arenas big enough for 6 and 8 horse hitches is difficult too. All I'm asking, is look at the web page - email questions and concerns to the eipgm email address and make an informed decision.
gabz <gabrielle_hume@delmia.com>
Sterling Heights, MI USA - Monday, March 11, 2002 at 09:08:36 (EST)

I was at one of the EIPGM's seminars at the Expo this last weekend. They are the ad-hoc group of the MHC trying to push this "tax" on horse feed. They claim they have conducted a survey and have received very little negative feedback on their proposed plan. I am active in several trail clubs and have found very few people who support this "tax". We all need to contact EIPGM and let them know how we feel about their proposed program. Silence will be interpreted by them as support. Please e-mail EIPGM at eipgm@yahoo.com and let them know whether you do or do not support a "tax" on horse feeds and supplements. Make sure you include your name and address. I know that our legislators do not give any credibility to e-mail that does not include a name and address - EIPGM may be doing the same thing.
Vicki Sible MTRA # 2311
USA - Sunday, March 10, 2002 at 20:11:35 (EST)

By the way I do own horses also. I also remember that the coggins testing was slipped in on the tb testing bill as an add on. Mention was made of a horse census...including how much I spend on feed, tack,trucks,trailers ect...I really don't think that any of that is anyones' business but mine. I don't care to haveanyone dipping into my personal affairs that deeply. Is there a privacy issue here also?
Kathy
Pullman, Mi USA - Sunday, March 10, 2002 at 12:17:25 (EST)

These MHC people have no vision. All they want is tax money from us to pay for salaries and offices. Their track record is abyssmal in preserving the horse industry in Michigan. They run a third rate expo from which they rake in a quarter million dollars a year but that's not enough. They want more. Several of the MHC bigshots don't even own a single horse and many of them haven't been on the back of a horse in years. It is not a true representative organization of us at all and I won't give them a dime of my money.
Melinda
Oxford, MI USA - Sunday, March 10, 2002 at 10:46:45 (EST)

Okay...I'll let this go a little further. I still use horsefeeds for other than horse use...You are saying that if I do, I will have to pay this out anyway. You are not going to be able to tell who is using what for horses or other livestock. I won't have a "vote" on this. I will have to pay it anyway...without any say so. There are alot more than "Horse" people involved in this. And everything done so far hasn't improved "MY way of live" yet. Tell me how it has please.
Kathy Leader <dkleader@btc-bci.com>
Pullman, Mi USA - Sunday, March 10, 2002 at 10:34:34 (EST)

I saw the seminar at Stallion Expo and was told by one of the speakers that the fee on wormers was an idea they put out for consideration. It was rejected later in favor of the assessment on feed. There are no current plans to ask for a fee on wormers. If the assessment on feed is voted in by the majority of horse owners it will not be subject to change without another vote, and they specifically said there was no way it could be increased after the vote was taken. These people have a lot of vision for preserving our way of life. I would gladly pay 5 cents per bag of feed to accomplish that.
Greg
USA - Sunday, March 10, 2002 at 08:43:30 (EST)

I have a question about this "Michigan Tax" on wormer? The Michigan Dairy Goat Association would like to know...they use alot of horse wormers for their goats...If they are purchasing wormer and other horse related items for their goats, are they having this "tax" added on to their purchases also? How would anyone know the difference? This is snowballing into a very large mudball. K Leader
Kathy Leader <dkleader@btc-bci.com>
Pullman, Mi USA - Saturday, March 09, 2002 at 23:00:38 (EST)

FOR SALE/REDUCED PRICE. 1996 Sundowner. 36', 3 horse slant,w/living quarters. Ramp entry for horses, tack area in rear of trailer, mid-tack room, living quarters w/queen size bed, full bathroom w/shower, 2 burner range, microwave, refrig/freezer,air conditioning, awning, am/fm/cassette stereo, tv, many cabinets for storage, (dishes/utensils/pots & pans, toaster will be included, and much more . Wasn't used much and it still looks like new inside & out. Great for the trail rides. Was asking $35,500, reduced to $30,000. If you're interested, send me your E-mail address and I'd be happy to send you pictures(complete diagram w/details). Be sure to indicated Horse Trailer in the subject box when you e-mail. I'll will also have pictures of the trailer at the Banquet. See you there!
Lee Steinhilber <mtra1926@yahoo.com>
Milford, MI USA - Thursday, March 07, 2002 at 22:30:56 (EST)

FOR SALE/REDUCED PRICE. 1996 Sundowner. 36', 3 horse slant,w/living quarters. Ramp entry for horses, tack area in rear of trailer, mid-tack room, living quartersw/queen size bed, full bathroom w/shower, 2 burner range, microwave, refrig/freezer,air conditioning, awning, am/fm/cassette stereo, tv, many cabinets for storage, (dishes/utensils/pots & pans, toaster will be included, and much more . Wasn't used much and it still looks like new inside & out. Great for the trail rides. Was asking $35,500, reduced to $30,000. If you're interested, send me your E-mail address and I'd be happy to send you pictures(complete diagram w/details). Be sure to indicated Horse Trailer in the subject box when you e-mail. I'll will also have pictures of the trailer at the Banquet. See you there!
Lee Steinhilber <mtra1926@yahoo.com>
Milford, MI USA - Thursday, March 07, 2002 at 22:30:26 (EST)

AQHA, FQHR, PHBA, 9/20/00- 96.875 % PALOMINO FILLY FOR SALE: "NUTHER CLASSY QUEEN" AQHA #4015830, 14.1 H.H. NOW @ 17 MONTHS OLD, AND VERY NICELY MUSCLED. "LILLY" AS WE CALL HER, HAS HAD SOME GROUND WORK, SHE LEADS, TIES, STANDS TO BE TRIMMED, AND IS GOOD ABOUT GETTING BATHED. SHE IS CURRENT ON SHOTS AND DE-WORMING, AND HAD A NEGATIVE COGINS TEST 1/8/01. "LILLY" IS BY A BUCKSKIN STALLION NAMED "KING SKADADLE", AND HER DAM IS A SORREL NAMED "NUTHER PRETTY FACE". SHE HAS PALOMINOS, DUNS, RED DUNS, BAYS, AND SORREL/CHESTNUTS IN HER PEDIGREE. SHE HAS A BEAUTIFUL BABY DOLL HEAD WITH A CONNECTED STAR, STRIP, SNIP , AND RIGHT HIND SOCK. SHE HAS A SHORT BACK, NICE HIP, PRETTY NECK, NICE SLOPPING SHOULDER, AND IS A PRETTY MOVER! SHE HAS LOTS OF SPEED, AND AGILITY, SO WOULD MAKE A GREAT BARREL RACING, POLE BENDER, REINING, WESTERN PLEASURE, PERFORMANCE PROSPECT, AND WOULD BE A GREAT FUTURE FOUNDATION MARE TO ADD TO ANY FOUNDATION BREEDING PROGRAM. HERE PEDIGREE HAS: KING, LEO, SKIPPER W, WIMPY, SPANISH CLIPPER, HANK H, THREE BARS, BARS CHOICE, HEAVY RED, CLABBER, MIDNIGHT, OLD JOE BAILY, BLACK BURN, POCO BUENO, MOOLAH BUX, OLD SORREL, TOTAL NINE, JOE HANCOCK, HICKORY BILL, OLD MAN, NORFLEET, AFTER DARK, THREE CHICKS, PETER MCCUE, BLONDYS DUDE, BRUSH MOUNT, MAN O WAR, PEPPY, AND MICKEYS CODY! Just to name some of the well know, great foundation sire's she has. This filly is very well bred! Only selling her due to unforeseen circumstances! Asking $3500, or $4000 with a future breeding to one of our two stallions, AQHA, FQHR Royale King Leo Bars, or AQHA, FQHR, IBHA, 2000 red dun stud colt, King Leo Buddy Bars. I'm willing to take 1/2 down, and payments on the other half with a written contract, but Lilly, and her papers stays with me until paid in full. Board will be $125.00 a month while she stays here.( includes, hay, grain, and run in shed.) Would like "Lilly" to go to a good show home, or foundation breeder that will show her first before breeding her. Call Kathy @ 231-689-5923
Kathy Tyler <kathys_quarters@ncats.net>
White Cloud, MI USA - Thursday, March 07, 2002 at 19:19:29 (EST)

2000 3H Sundowner Valuelite with full living quarters, 8ft4in short wall, heat, AC, queen bed in nose, dinette (makes into bed) bathroom with glass/brass shower, china toilet 3 areas of storage, 2 burner stove, microwave, pantry, in and out speakers for AM/FM/Cassette radio/ TV hookups with antenna in nose bed, drop down windows with bars, walk thru, collapsible rear tack, awning, used less than dozen times. Getting a bigger one, reason for selling. $28,000.00.
Norma J. Laine <laine3483@aol.com>
Davison, MI USA - Thursday, March 07, 2002 at 13:10:47 (EST)

The '95 Chevy van and 99 Sundowner 2 horse trailer have both been sold
Jim and Karen Urquhart
USA - Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 21:39:38 (EST)

YEA Jan!!! well spoken!!I also do not want to see EIPGM become a legal group. and thank you Gabz for the web site about EIPGM www.geocities.com/eipgm/
sandy seppi <foxtrotin>
Gladstone, mi USA - Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 21:22:13 (EST)

I first heard of the EIPGM a little over a year ago when I attended a couple meetings of the Equine Advisory Committee. These meetings were run by Dr. Steve Halstead of the MDA and was held at the Harness Horseman's facility in Lansing. Ron Nelson from the Michigan Farm Bureau was also an active member. At that time, this group was talking about adding $1.00 per tube to wormer to fund the EIPGM. Because I was more concerned with the EIA law, this issue was forgotten about. The next time I heard of EIPGM was at the November meeting of the MHC. At that time, they were talking of adding $2.00 per ton to commercial horse feeds and supplements. At the December MHC meeting, I asked the following questions of Mary Rossano. Her response follows the questions. 1. Who exactly does the EIPGM represent? They are an ad hoc committee of the MHC. 2. If a referendum vote on the proposed "tax" assessment held, who is going to pay for printing and distribution of ballots? That has not been decided. 3. How will you ensure that all horse owners in the state are informed about this proposal and have the opportunity to vote? We will place articles in the Equine Times and other publications and we will have information at the Expo. 4. What percentage of the extimated $250,000.00 collected from us each year will be used to manage the fund (salaries, office space, and other administrative costs)? We estimate that 20% to 25% of the funds collected will be used for administrative costs. At this point, Jack Matthews stood up and said he felt that it would take more than that. He said he felt that many organizations that failed, did so because they did not budget enough for administration costs and relied on volunteer help that did not stay motivated. 6. Will the proposed "tax" assessment on horse feed and supplements be fixed or will it increase every year? We plan to collect the same amount for the next three years. If after that time we find we need more funds, we will have another referendum vote befor increasing it. 7, What specific programs do you have planned that will benefit recreational and hobby horse owners? Money will be available on an "as needed" basis. Organizations in need of funding can request funding from us. 8. If people choose not to participate, can they get their money refunded? How? Yes, people can get a refund, but we do not know how yet. 9. What is the first thing you plan to do with the money you collect from Michigan horse owners? Cunduct a census in order to have an accurate picture of the numbers and locations of all the horses in Michigan. Since that meeting of the MHC, I have come up with the following questions that I think horse owners in Michigan need to have answered. I will be asking these questions at the meeting at the Expo on Saturday . 1. Who is going to manage the fund? 2. What criteria of qualifications does a person have to meet to manage this fund? 3. What percentage of the fund will be spent for the harness racing industry in Michigan, the equine event facilities, and the trails in Michigan? How will this money be divided? 4. What activities are you planning for promotion. We have heard of the EIPGM wanting to put billboards up along highways in Michigan and other states. Also we have heard that they want to put commercials on TV in other states. How is this going to help Michigan horse owners? 4. We have heard that the MHC is budgeting $5,000.00 for the EIPGM's use. Is this correct? 5. We have heard that the EIPGM is going to use this $5,000.00 from the MHC to send positive information supporting the "tax" assessment to horseowners. They are to get the names and addresses for this from the MDA's list of horseowners who had coggins tests run on their horses in 2001 and 2002. Is this true? 6. Is it true that the MDA will be giving this list of names and addresses to groups whose causes they support? 7. If the EIPGM decides they want more and more money, what is to say they will not go back to their original idea of adding $1.00 per tube of wormer? And what is next - tack, farrier costs, groooming products? 8. And what of this census? The EIPGM says they need to know how many horses are out there, where they are, what we spend on hay, grain, barns and fencing, trailers and trucks to prove we have an economic impact, but do you want all this infomation available to anyone with a click of a mouse. Personally, I have some real concerns about this fund, If the same group of people who thought this up are going to administer the fund. These are the same people who still feel that all horses in the state should have a coggins test run every year and every year and every year. I am also concerned because most of the people who attend these meetings (EIPGM, MHC and Horse Advisory Committee) are all from areas south of M-21. There is never any input from Northern horse owners. These organizations think they represent the horse owners of the entire state but their meetings are always in the southern part of the State and they never make any contact with the northern part. I wonder when was the last time the president of the MHC made a telephone call to any northern MHC member organization to ask their views on any horse related issue. They really forget we exist. I have been a member of the MTRA for almost 25 years. If this "tax" assessment is going to cost me $2.00 per horse per year, I would rather open my check book and send the MTRA $14.00 - $20.00 each year. At least I know that it would be used for the trails. I know the harness horse industry in Michigan needs help and I know the fairgrounds and show and event facilities need help, and I know that the trail organizations in Michigan need help, but I feel it is up to the people that use those facilites to throw money at them, if they choose to do so. I do not need a promotional group to collect my money and deciding which organization is the most needy and who deserves it. I know which trails I ride and which groups support those trails. And I have no desire to send my money to race tracks or fair grounds. The people that use them need to support them. Before you vote yes for the EIPGM, all horse owners in Michigan need to decide how they want their dollars spent. Do you really want other people deciding who deserves your money or do you want to do it for yourselves.
Jan <magictrailfarm@earthlink.net>
Owosso, MI USA - Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 19:30:29 (EST)

This weekend, Stallion Expo at MSU Pavilion in Lansing. In addition to a session on Saturday by Kandee Haertel, titled "Trails and Trail Issues" at 4:30 in the auditorium, and again on SUnday at 2 pm, there are also two sessions being presented about EIPGM. They are at 3:30 pm on Saturday and 1:45 on Sunday. So, if you would like to learn more, perhaps you can journey to Lansing March 9th or 10th and attend one of these sessions. There are also quite a number of demonstrations and clinics - Buying Hay, Equine Nutrition, Building a Saddle, The Plains Indian & The Horse, Polo demonstrations, dressage, Equine chiropractic & massage, and of course SHOPPING!! Dr. Halstead is scheduled to speak about West Nile Virus and the current EIA/Coggins test law; and Lynn Palm is doing several demonstrations and clinics throughout the two day expo. for more info about EIPGM and the EXPO, go to www.michiganhorsecouncil.com See ya!!
gabz <gabrielle_hume@delmia.com>
Sterling Hts, MI USA - Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 18:13:04 (EST)

As I understand it the EIPGM funding could be used for trail construction and improvement. I like the idea if it can do that. My impression of the MHC is positive. We need to find a way to raise money for our own good. I voted yes in the survey.
Greg <zest71699@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 16:59:33 (EST)

I am glad there is a group out there that is willing to fight for us horse owners that do not want another tax added to our lives in the name of helping us. There is no help there to be found just another burden. The cost of hay, grain,farriers,gas to get it all,and lets not even talk about the 500+ my shots are going to cost. Why on earth would anyone that owns a horse in the state of Mi want another tax in any name added to what we pay out for the privilage of owning a horse. Thank you for standing up for us backyard horse owners.
Barb <foxtrotter51@tc3net.com>
USA - Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 16:06:05 (EST)

Please be sure to get all the facts about this item that the Davis's are calling a tax sponsored by MHC. They are referring to an organization called EIPGM - Equine Industry Promotional Group of Michigan - which was initiated by Michigan Horse Show Association, Michigan Farm Bureau, Michigan Harness Horsemen's Association, Michigan Dept of Agriculture, MSU, and Michigan Horse Council (MHC). IN addition, EIPGM is supported by Michigan Equine Practitioners Association, Michigan Veterinary Medical Association, Michigan Thoroughbred Owners and Breeders Association, and Horsemen's Benevolent and Protective Association. Information about EIPGM can be found on it's web page: http://www.geocities.com/eipgm/ There are good and bad aspects to this organization - but it must first be placed into existence before it can be changed or modified. You are encouraged to submit your thoughts about this association through its website.
gabz <gabrielle_hume@delmia.com>
Sterling Heights, MI USA - Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 12:20:47 (EST)

The MHC Proposed Tax on Horses March 5, 2002 We are near completing our findings regarding this outrageous proposed tax on horses sponsored by the Michigan Horse Council and our group is currently planning an effective opposition strategy. There are many, many, many opponents, as we see our mailing and contact lists growing enormously since last Fall. We will keep you informed. One item I will share with you is the fact that MHC intends to donate thousands of dollars from its treasury to support a thinly disguised mailing to Michigan horse owners in support of this tax initiative. MHC is a registered non-profit organization and IRS regulations expressly prohibit non-profits from spending money for political purposes, etc. In the event that MHC in fact is found to be in violation of IRS regulations, we can forsee the possibility of a class action law suit against MHC as a group and possibly individual law suits, or some form of legal action in the courts, against MHC individual and group members. While we are not lawyers, I am told by lawyers within our group that this may indeed be possible. If your organization is supporting this MHC tax initiative, it might be in your best interests to inform them of these possible consequences. More to follow at the appropriate time since there is some feeling that we should not tip our hand just yet. Bob & Kim Davis
Bob and Kim Davis <bk968@hotmail.com>
GP, MI USA - Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 10:33:15 (EST)

FOR SALE: Will be two in April 2002 Foxtrotter Mare. Bay, will mature around 14.2 hands out of Clouds Rhett Butler. Pretty headed, nice quiet eye. Also, Seven year old Quarter Horse mare out of Nuther Class. Registered AQHA & ABRA. Has been ridden on the MTRA October rides for four years. Quiet, pickets & ties, goes through anything. Used mainly for trailriding and as a Posse horse. Super nice horse. Asking $3500 each. Please call (989) 269-2229 evenings or weekends.
Kathy Rifenbark
Bad Axe, MI USA - Monday, March 04, 2002 at 12:26:29 (EST)

We would like directions to the Lansing Pavilion for the March 8-10, 2002 Stallion Expo.
Beverly Huellmantel <bhuellma@worldnet.att.net>
Shelby Twp., MI USA - Sunday, March 03, 2002 at 19:54:25 (EST)

1995 Trailet 2 horse BP w/dress, ramp. Used only a few camping trips in the summer - stored winters, excellent condition - ready to go! Can email photos. (It's been a great trailer, but I have found a larger one.)
Kirsten <kirsten312@chartermi.net>
Saginaw, mi USA - Sunday, March 03, 2002 at 17:05:06 (EST)

Six-year-old Appaloosa Gelding For Sale. Dark brown/black with blanket and big spots. Hundreds of miles of trail experience. Was in the mountains of Wyoming and Montana and the Badlands in North Dakota just last year. The bonus is that he does the Indian Shuffle, a slow, comfortable gait that's great to ride. Also walks, trots, canters, backs and side-passes. No bad habits. Very gentle. Would be great for a beginner or child. See pictures of him at www.geocities.com/appycamper
Karen <appycamper@yahoo.com>
Grand Haven, MI USA - Sunday, March 03, 2002 at 10:28:31 (EST)

Hi, If anyone is interested in an absentee ballot proposal for MTRA members, please e-mail me. I am attending the MTRA annual meeting and will bring this up before the board. MTRA members are only allowed to vote if they attend the annual meeting. I believe that this is unfair to members that can't attend the meeting. Our group has 1500+ active members. Less than 25% of those members will attend the meeting. Many of our members are out of state for the winter or reside in another state. I feel that everyone should have the right to vote in the MTRA elections. If you feel the same way send an e-mail to me saying so. I will print them and take them to the meeting. Vicky Smith twh@voyager.net
Vicky Smith <twh@voyager.net>
Hawks, MI USA - Sunday, March 03, 2002 at 05:50:06 (EST)

I have a very nice 1986 registered Arab, excellant legs, feet, and good people loving attitude. Am selling to cut back, I am the only one at home now that is riding. Priced to sell. Phone: 989-584-6026
gwen wiles <ggw@cmsinter.net>
middleton, mi USA - Saturday, March 02, 2002 at 13:23:05 (EST)

Hello to all !! Almost that time again, and I can hardly wait.. The June ride is aproaching fast and I am a green horn when it comes to the shore to shore.. Anyone willing to give this ole girl some tips, it would be greatly appreciated !!! Thanks
Charlotte Bezeau <missybez@frontiernet.net>
Osseo, MI USA - Thursday, February 28, 2002 at 19:39:10 (EST)

1989 bay, part walker gelding, for sale,gaited, loads easily, used for trail rides in the allegan forrest, and down the road, and in the back yard woods. well let go for $1200.00 with tack or $1,000.00 without tack. owner is moving and can't take with him. For pictures please e-mail me. Thank You
Julie M. Dudley <animalsplus@btc-bci.com>
Grand Junction, Mi. USA - Tuesday, February 26, 2002 at 11:16:11 (EST)

for MARY HENRY: Please send me photos of the mare you have for sale as well as details on her health history, reason for selling, etc. Thanks so much!
Polly <goodx2@journey.com>
USA - Wednesday, February 27, 2002 at 14:38:03 (EST)

1993 Circle Z trailer-4 horse slant gooseneck, with center wedge walk in tack area-and 10 ft living quarters up front. I just bought an aluminum 3 slant, and really would like to see this bigger trailer utilized by a family--as mine is now grown and gone.I am in SW Michigan. I will take $5500 cash (til March 15) or will take paments @ $6000 but trailer will stay til paid in full. I would also take Foundationbred QH or Homozygous Paint--fillies/mares (perfer broke), as partial trade plus some cash.Pictures and discription at: http://communities.msn.com/SunnywoodAcresHorsesforSale Call 616-673-2273 after 9pm Michigan time or e-mail
Mary Henry <Alcolor@yahoo.com>
Allegan, MI USA - Tuesday, February 26, 2002 at 11:54:14 (EST)

Kate- Reg AQHA mare.All Skipper W bred mare-shown in 4-H and extensively trail ridden, kid proof in all areas.15.2 hand chestnut-2 hind stocking/star strip/snip. Has been bred to Paints 3 times and produced color x3.See web site for pic/pedigree. $1800.Phone 616-673-2273 after 9pm or e-mail.
Mary Henry <Alcolor@yahoo.com>
Allegan, MI USA - Tuesday, February 26, 2002 at 11:22:06 (EST)

1983 Reg Arabian mare.Bloodtyped proven broodmare. Crabbett/Davenport breeding. Flame red chestnut with 3 whites,star,stripe and snip. 14.3hh. Been trail ridden in Illinois and Wisconsin..up and down rivers,cliffs and over bridges..Excellent gaits and a real sweetie to handle. Up to date on everything.Super legs and feet. Replicca is a gorgeous mare. Must cut down due to hubby's health..Can e mail pics and pedigree.. $1200.00. 231-328-4308. jmkennedy@netonecom.net
Jan Mills Kennedy <jmkennedy@netonecom.net>
Merritt, MI USA - Tuesday, February 26, 2002 at 11:07:24 (EST)

For Sale. 1999 Sundowner Horsetrailer. 8010 3 horse slant. 10 foot Siesta living quarters. Rear tack, rubber mats, white aluminum. Exellent Condition. $37,500. 989-345-3970
John Becker <bjowens@journey.com>
Beaverton, MI USA - Sunday, February 24, 2002 at 11:13:34 (EST)

Tucker Cheyenne Trail Saddle, black, 17.5" seat, full qtr. horse bars, short skirt, enduro rigging. Like new condition. $900/obo. Picture available. ccclarsen@hotmail.com
Crystal Larsen <ccclarsen@hotmail.com>
Skandia, mi USA - Saturday, February 23, 2002 at 20:10:04 (EST)

Once again Roy Jansson has done a great job of converting the newsletter into a web page: http://www.mtra.org/FEB_2002.HTM Thanks Roy!
Webmaster <webmaster@mtra.org>
USA - Saturday, February 23, 2002 at 19:32:18 (EST)

ALLEGAN ,for you and your horse! room,box stall and pasture for rent. excellent opportunity for the right person,with or without a horse. full house priviledges,located north of allegan,good riding trails close by. all inclusive $350.00-$450.00 per month,long or short term. for more info please e-mail,or call.616 673 7201. thankyou, jill gale.
jillan gale <jillian-gale@webtv.net>
mi - Saturday, February 23, 2002 at 17:20:16 (EST)

Wanted gaited trail horse for beginner adult rider. Would prefer a gelding but will consider a mare if she has a good temperament. 15 plus hands. Must be quiet and not care where they are ridden in a group of horses, front, back or middle. Reasonable price. Good home with lots of loving care. Thank you
KJB <kbodenbach@lebow.com>
Lapeer, MI USA - Friday, February 22, 2002 at 11:48:55 (EST)

Please delete ad for Bob Dowell.trainer and the ad for the seasoned 12 year old spotted saddle horse....thankyou
bob dowell <fritzgar@aol.com>
browncity, mi USA - Thursday, February 21, 2002 at 12:47:15 (EST)

Hey folks!!! I need some help with this new coggins law!! According to the new one passed in June of 2001, nothing was mentioned about trail horses, or groups like MTRA, being required to have current coggins. Can some one let me know if MTRA requires a news one each year or not? Thank-you for any help on this.
Kris <kwilliams@triton.net>
tawas, mi USA - Thursday, February 21, 2002 at 12:14:42 (EST)

Isn't it time you took a VACATION????? ***Pet Care Services*** Whinny, Moo, Hiss or Chirp, we care for all of God's creatures. For business or vacation, leave the care and worry of your pets to us!! Email me so we can talk about your appointment!
Lisa Greca <daddyslittleindian1@hotmail.com>
Manchester, MI USA - Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 13:33:52 (EST)

Isn't it time you took a VACATION????? ***Pet Care Services*** Whinny, Moo, Hiss or Chirp, we are for all of God's creatures. For business or vacation, leave the care and worry of your pets to us!! Email me so we can talk about your appointment!
Lisa Greca <daddyslittleindian1@hotmail.com>
Manchester, MI USA - Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 13:33:08 (EST)

Looking for a 2 horse gooseneck trailer. Aluminum or steel with aluminum skin. Total weight of trailer not to exceed 3600lbs.
Julie Brown <cubswin@iserv.net>
Greenville, MI USA - Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 19:50:11 (EST)

Looking for a good trail horse for my husband. He's six foot, four inches with a 36 inch inseam, so he needs a big boy. Ideally, we'd prefer a gelding that is at least five years old and calm and responsive on the trail. Will probably do some competitive trail riding. My husband will also want to do some light jumping, so the horse should have the right attitude/conformation for that as well (although I can train him myself). Any breed except Appaloosa (love the breed, had a heartbreaking experience with moonblindness that has made us both gunshy). Would love a TB or Morgan cross, but will consider all other breeds as long as they have the right disposition (must like attention, because he'll get a lot of it!). Don't have a huge budget, but will provide an excellent, loving home. I can provide references if necessary. If you think you have a horse that might meet our needs, please e-mail or call Karen at casemier@iserv.net or 616.891.0076 (we will be on vacation from 2/23-3/2, but will return any messages promptly afterwards). Thanks in advance for your help!
Karen Casemier <casemier@iserv.net>
Caledonia, MI USA - Monday, February 18, 2002 at 16:20:49 (EST)

Hello I'm selling my 2 horse straight load GN trailer. It has a full self contained LQ and is in good shape. It' a 1983 Singer steel with mid-tack. LQ has 2 way refer, microwave, clean water storage with DC pump, 2 burner stove. There is a new air conditioner that can go or be removed depending on price. I'm asking $5995 with the air conditioner or best without.
Laurie Dewey <LDew75@aol.com>
Midland, Mi USA - Monday, February 18, 2002 at 05:38:11 (EST)

Saddles for sale! - 15" Hereford by Tex Tan Western Saddle with silver conchos (can be changed) and silver lacing. Suede equitation seat (holds you still) in very good condition. $ 350.00 - 15" western saddle used by my husband - padded seat, etc. Some repairs have been made- still lots of use left. $150 - Guffy YOUTH saddle- chestnut oil, smooth leather, suede seat, very well made. Son outgrew it at 8 years of age. Like new. Silver easily added if you wish. $250 *email me for photos!* See you on the trails!
Dena West <rwest@cbpu.com>
Sherwood, MI USA - Sunday, February 17, 2002 at 11:04:46 (EST)

8 year old registered appaloosa mare for sale. Shown 4H and open shows. Western, English, Trail, and Showmanship. Great ride on the trail. $3,500. 231-689-5286.
gwen dennis
white cloud, mi USA - Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 12:10:12 (EST)

The paint/appy cross and the 15" western cordura saddle package has been sold
Dori Crawford <dori179@webtv.net>
Copemish, MI USA - Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 18:57:59 (EST)

RE: Milk Crates I found my two along the road! Be careful with traffic and I wouldn't recommend stopping along an e-way...but keep your eye out for them as you travel. Can't wait for spring! I just wanna go ridin'!! Happy Trails!
Shelley Straub
Falmouth , Mi USA - Wednesday, February 13, 2002 at 22:35:50 (EST)

You know. That's an excellent question. I got mine from a friend and I never questioned where THEY got them from. Maybe ask at your grocery store? See if you can pay the deposit on them? I also see nice sturdy crates for water softeners/pool additives too.
gabz
Sterling Hts, MI USA - Wednesday, February 13, 2002 at 11:09:31 (EST)

Sounds like a great idea. Where can we get milk crates?
Curious
USA - Tuesday, February 12, 2002 at 18:11:47 (EST)

~*~*~Racking Horse Gelding~*~*~Strong, well built, 14 year old, bright chestnut with full white blaze and one white stocking. Long, healthy mane and tail. Been there, done that on trails in Michigan and Missouri. Quiet with no vices. Neat in stall. Owner must sell :(
Lisa <daddyslittleindian1@hotmail.com>
Manchester, MI USA - Tuesday, February 12, 2002 at 13:19:26 (EST)

To reduce the risk of water buckets being knocked over, when your horse is on a picket line, place the bucket in a milk crate. Same thing if you are taking a 25 pound propane tank. Put it in a milk crate and then bungee or tie the crate inside your pickup to keep it from sliding around. One last milk crate tip. After trailering and cleaning out the trailer, lift the floor mats and support them on the REAL (sturdy) milk crates. This will allow air to circulate under the mats to dry out the wood.
gabz
Sterling Heights, MI USA - Monday, February 11, 2002 at 17:52:46 (EST)

I am trying to put together a list of things needed for the spring ride. I have never done one before and i am trying to get some useful ideas. Thanks for any help.
Barb <foxtrotter51@tc3net.com>
USA - Monday, February 11, 2002 at 17:00:42 (EST)

The perfect trail horse for anyone!!! 14 year old registerd appaloosa mare. Who is wonderfull, she has been used for a lesson horse this pass summer and is wonderfull with children. She has also been shown and has gone on many weekend camping trips.Very quiet and willing. She has also proven herself as a a broodmare. I also have one of her fillies which is now a coming two year old that is colored and also very quiet and would make a great trail horse. Both also haul well. I am asking $3,500 for the mare and $1500 for 2year old, but will make a deal for the two $4000. I must sell for college education. Please call 1-617-664-1165 or email me at elliotdene@hotmail.com
Dene' Elliott <elliottdene@hotmail.com>
Saranac, MI USA - Sunday, February 10, 2002 at 23:43:30 (EST)

Roy Jansson has put together some photos submitted by Tracy McArt: http://www.kerchevalave.com/mtra/TRACY.HTM Thanks to both of you!
Webmaster <webmaster@mtra.org>
USA - Sunday, February 10, 2002 at 19:00:14 (EST)

For Sale, a comming 6 yr.old Black and White warmblood. He is 16H plus Broke to ride and drive. He is healthy and sound and loves to trail ride and Jump. Not afraid of cars,dogs, or other distractions. He needs some one with more experience to finish him out as a jumper. He is very smooth moving and beautiful. He has had 70 days professional training. Will sell to a good home only for 3500.00 firm. He is worth much more. Call Sue at (989)561-2609 or write and will send you pictures.If no answer, leave message with full phone # and name. I will get back to you. You can e-mail my friend Linda and she can answer any questions you might have. at springvalley@rural-net.com
Sue Houghton
Blanchard , Mi. USA - Sunday, February 10, 2002 at 13:31:59 (EST)

For Sale; Reg.5yr.old Gelding Quarter Horse has done Shore to Shore ride, 4-H, High School Equestrian Team loads,clips,does it all owner would like to go gaited. for more info. E-mail or call 989-426-6195
Wendy Kemmer <wkemmer@hotmail.com>
Gladwin, Mi USA - Sunday, February 10, 2002 at 10:34:43 (EST)

I have a 3 yr.old Black mare out of a paint Quarter mare by a morgan stud. She is beautiful 15H 1" at the wither,15H2" at the rear and still growing. She has tons of mane and tail. She is ready for training and for sale as we have our grand child now to raise and no time for this beauty. Her mom is a push button mare and we expect this mare to be the same if given the right training. She is 1200.00 until she goes to the trainer. More after trainer. (989)382-7022 or e-mail at springvalley@rural-net.com
Linda Bazaire <springvalley@rura;-net.com>
Barryton, Mi USA - Saturday, February 09, 2002 at 23:05:06 (EST)

FOR SALE: AUSTRALIAN SADDLE 18" SEAT. $500. ALSO AVAILABLE,SADDLE PAD, BREAST COLLAR, BRIDLE, SADDLE BAGS. EXCELLENT CONDITION. wILL SELL SEPARATE OR AS A PACKAGE. ALSO FOR SALE: WESTERN SADDLE 15" SEAT VERY GOOD CONDITION BUT WAS IN A GARAGE WHEN SOMEONE WAS SPRAY PAINTING AND IT CAUGHT SOME MINOR OVERSPRAY. $150
Jim & Karen Urquhart <jurquhar@altelco.net>
West Olive, MI USA - Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 22:02:24 (EST)

We have a 1995 Chevy van for sale and a 1999Sundowner 2 horse trailer for sale. The van has 56,000 miles on it and is in excellent condition. It is a conversion van so it has an electric bed in the back. Our trailer is a straight load with a dressing room, loading ramp and awning. We have used these for camping and have been very comfortable. We ahave purchased a pick up truck and are looking for a 3 horse gooseneck (Sundowner) with a large dressing room-no living quarters. We can e-mail pictures of the van and trailer. Jim and Karen Urquhart West Olive, MI jurquhar@altelco.net
Jim and Karen Urquhart <jurquhar@altelco.net>
West Olive, MI USA - Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 21:51:28 (EST)

Reg. POA Gelding, 4 yr. old Bay w/blanket. Great conformation and color. 56" verified by POA rep. qualifies to be shown POA. 1st place as a weanling Ohio St. fair. Bathes and loads well. Loves trails! Current coggins, shots & farrier. $2,500. or best. 248-437-7808 Sheila
Sheila <JDJackpot@aol.com>
South Lyon, MI USA - Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 21:17:25 (EST)

3h slant horse trailer for sale.alum w/living qtrs. gooseneck,2.5 years old,kiefer buildt,4.5 foot short wall $19,500
jim <holwar@msn.com>
imlay city, mi USA - Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 16:15:59 (EST)

The e-mail for the 15 inch western cordura saddle package typed out wrong. Sorry! dori179@webtv.net is the right e-mail
Dori Crawford <dori179@webtv.net>
Copemish, MI USA - Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 18:09:57 (EST)

I have a 15 inch western cordura saddle package for sale. It comes with the breast collar, back cinch, and trail bridle. Brown. To wide for my gaited horses. $300.00 for all
Dori Crawford <dori1792webtv.net>
Copemish, MI USA - Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 17:59:24 (EST)

seasoned trail horse for sale.registerd spotted saddle mare 12yrs. old..photo can be seen at Equine.com...June's Doll..Located in Brown City, Michigan 810-346-4805 evenings.
Bob Dowell
Brown City, MI USA - Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 11:45:46 (EST)

Experienced horse trainer in Brown City, Michigan. Contact. Bob Dowell..evenings 810-346-4805
Bob Dowell
Brown City, MI USA - Monday, February 04, 2002 at 23:33:12 (EST)

WILDFIRE WHEEL N DEAL APHA Bay Tobiano 15h excellent conformation,beautiful head, excellent attitude would makegreat cross for barrel horses or rodeo horseslots of power,speed and agility. Has the blood of Easy Jet APHA champ.IM AN IDIOT TOO Tonto Bars Hank,Chico Don Bar and Eternal Sun. His foals have muscle,good looks, and beautiful heads with lots of smarts. Photos available on request. 2002 breeding fee of 350 special consideration to proven producers. If you are looking for a foundation built and all around using stallion come visit our farm you won,t be disappointed in him.$350 live foal guarantee.
Marilyn Wood <runninghorse@USOL.com>
Beaverton, Mi USA - Monday, February 04, 2002 at 16:59:31 (EST)

AQHA 5 yr old mare GoManGo and TB TVCommercial bred in foal to our Easy Jet Bay tobiano stallion for a june foal. Trail rides 16 hands ,trailers,clips, current coggins and vaccs.2500. also 3yr. TB chestnut mare 16 h tall three whitesocks has three wks. of Non restraintive training. Very willing and very nice mover. excellent conformation.$2000. also have TB broodmare for sale 15yrs old. Easy breeder dam of multiple race winners. Earned 35,000on track at Tampa. Sire STRIKE GOLD SW son of Mr Prospector. Dam Ms. Gallera Stakes producer. Sells open but will breed to APHA Stallion if requested.2500.firm very nicely put together mare, easy to work with. beautiful head.
Marilyn Wood <runninghorse@USOL.com>
Beaverton, Mi USA - Monday, February 04, 2002 at 16:44:16 (EST)

FOR SALE: 1996 "Sportsman" 8' pickup camper, in excellent conditon. Stove, fridge, sink, furnace (no toilet or shower. Paid $6000., sell for 4500 (won't find one this nice unless it's new) 231 796-8566 (anytime)
Lawrence Quinn <quinnl@tucker-usa.com>
Big Rapids, MI USA - Sunday, February 03, 2002 at 22:25:20 (EST)

For Sale: 15" western MURPHY saddle, medium brown, well oiled, new condition, square skirt Paid 800, sell 600
quinn <quinnl@tucker-usa.com>
USA - Sunday, February 03, 2002 at 22:15:58 (EST)

LOOKING FOR CAMPING/TRAIL RIDING BUDDIES--WEEKDENDS MAINLY IN THE GRAND RAPIDS AREA. BOYFRIEND IS WORKING TOO MANY HOURS TO GO WITH ME THIS YEAR. ALSO LOOKING FOR A NEW TRAIL HORSE--UNDER 1800.00 GAITED PREFERRED.
MARYSUE <CRRANCH@VOYAGER.NET>
MIDDLEVILLE, MICHIGAN USA - Friday, February 01, 2002 at 12:49:28 (EST)

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